Saturday, July 01, 2006

First Weekend Poll

TP43 wrote in with some good questions/comments about Blake and Outlaw, but they're going to have to wait until Monday, because a little back and forth between Ignacio and Lance Uppercut in the comments section spawned what I hope is a neat idea for weekends around here. Every weekend (until further notice) you can weigh in on a Blazer vs. Blazer poll. The idea is simple: which guy do you like better? You can interpret that any way you's intentionally open. For the current team, their own team, stats, gut feelings, on court, off court...whatever you feel like using to make the decision is ok. Leave your vote and a little bit of an explanation why in the comments section or by e-mail.

The first poll is an extenstion of the original Lance/Iggy tete-a-tete:

Joel Przybilla or Chris Dudley?

Knock yourselves out.

--Dave (


Blogger Alex said...

ghost billa

11:48 AM  
Blogger Dave said...

Ahhhh...but why?


12:01 PM  
Anonymous Dr.Dave said...


1. Good guy
2. 6'11" - 266
3. ppg 3.9
4. rpg 6.2
5. fg% .41
6. ft% .49
7. mpg 18.4


1. Good guy
2. 7'1" - 255
3. ppg 4.0
4. rpg 5.6
5. fg% .53
6. ft% .49
7. mpg 19.5

Conclusion: Dudley loses in a close one. Marked down for his form at the freethrow line (Scary!)

1:36 PM  
Blogger Dave said...

Hey Fatty...I deleted your post even though it was good because the idea is to vote between the two players in this week's poll. You actually stole one of my future matchups, which was a darn good idea, but I want to save that one for next week. No fair jumping the gun!


2:25 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

What's interesting is if you look at the offensive stats between the two in dr. dave's post is that the difference between the two isn't enormous. How do they compare on defense? There is a lot of talk about how the Blazers would be extremely lucky to get Pryzbilla back in the fold. The question becomes the following: Would Dudley be receiving the same kind of positive treatment as Pryzbilla? I think a lot of folks would balk at paying Dudley the type of money that Pryzbilla may get. This isn't to say that Dudley wasn't worth that type of money, but I think they wouldn't want to pay that amount for him. Now, I don't remember what we paid him, and it was probably up there, but that is beside the point I'm trying to make.

3:19 PM  
Anonymous fatty said...

pryz because when healthy
he can change a game while
dudley could'nt shoot a ft
with the basket 5ft in front
of him a waste of money !!!!

4:23 PM  
Blogger ignacio said...

I think Dudley was a little better, mainly because I'm impressed by the years in which he averaged 9 rebounds a game. He rebounded well for 7 straight years. Both of them belong to that very rare breed of white men who can jump.

Pryzbilla is better on offense but they rarely went to him in the low post. Very rarely. He's a better free throw shooter with hope of improvement. Dudley at Cleveland and New Jersey got a fair number of offensive rebounds. Both are intelligent professionals.

Don't get me wrong. I hope we sign Joel. I really do. I'm just not going to jump off a cliff if we don't. Because I don't think we can. Last year he never played 30 minutes a game and ultimately he was injured quite a bit.

I think he's going to get $8 million a year from Chicago or Minnesota. We can only offer him 5.

4:36 PM  
Blogger Dave said...

Interesting point that anonymous made. WOULD there be all this fanfare about Dudley? It's hard to tell because there's such a difference in the level of the team between now and the time Duds was with us. Back then he was considered a nice piece but hardly crucial. Now he might be considered more.


4:40 PM  
Anonymous jorga said...

Do I have to vote? I'll let you guys who know what you are doing evaluate them as players.

If I remember correctly Dudley was further along in his career when he became a Blazer. So he had the status of a "veteran" rather than "one of the young guys". Point for Dudley.

He was also very active in the community and doesn't he still have ties to Portland? That's 2 points (but again, Joel has the potential to do the same.) He also has become a national spokesman for diabetes which is cool. That's 3 points.

Dudley was with us for more years - at least at this point which earns him his 4th and last point to Joel's 0.

However, if Joel re-signs with us because one only needs so many million dollars I'll give him five hundred points and my vote.

7:14 PM  
Anonymous Lance Uppercut said...

When looking at stats, I have to admit that Dudley was a better player than I remeber him to be, mainly because I think I tend to focus on his later stint with the Blazers, in which he was mostly ineffectual. I guess the reason I consider Joel a better player is because, when looking at Dudley's stats, his sixth season was the height of his career. With Pryzbilla, I think he's still got at least two more years of improvement, theoretically peaking in his eighth season. If Joel can get and stay healthy, he'll have a better next season than Dudley ever had, though Dud's 91-92 campaign was pretty decent.

10:39 PM  
Anonymous juanathan said...

Well, the Przyident is a pretty good low post presence, but this one has to go to Dudley. This is because, when he played for the Knicks, he was going against Shaq's Lakers. Shaq humiliated Duds by simply muscling him out of his way for dunk. Chagrined, Dudley inbounded the ball by hurling it at the back of Shaq's head. Even though Shaq was at midcourt by this point, it was a direct hit. The look of suprise and more importantly terror in Dudley's eyes when he realized what he had done was absolutely priceless.

11:35 PM  
Anonymous Mortimer said...

Pryzbilla is better... more athletic, better shotblocker, better offensively (that ain't saying much, but still). BUT, he isn't better by that far.

Back in Dudley's day, however, there were actual GOOD centers on lotsa teams... Hakeem, David Robinson, Ewing, etc. To overpay for a role player/center like Duds seemed idiotic, and that's why it was unpopular to pay Dudley so much back then.

NOW, today, a hard working guy like Duds would go for top dollar, just like Pryz will. Hell, if Duckworth was around still he'd be one of the top TOP centers playing and he'd get a whole lot less flack for his style/weight...

80's and 90's was just a great era for centers, and now it's not the dominant position... just finding someone who works hard and is dependable every night (like Pryz, and unlike Dampier/Foyle/Kandi/Kwame/etc) is worth 8 to 10 million... unfortunately.

I think someone as good as Pryz or Duds should be signable for the MLE, but the dumb overpaying for bad centers mentioned above has thrown the market way outta wack.

Ok, I blabbed too much, my vote is for Pryz in a squeaker.

11:54 PM  
Anonymous DLWM said...

Just to follow the rules I will cast my vote for Joel. He sets good screens, is an intimidator of sorts and shoots free throws better. But what I really have is a question:

What's going on with that sore knee that kept him out of multiple games last year?! Evidently it didn't require surgery. Did it simply heal on it's own? That being the case, and depending on the particular ailment, there could be a decent chance of recurrence. It's a concern to me and I'd think it would be to prospective employers. Did I miss some post season news regarding that knee?

7:47 AM  
Blogger lyle said...

i'll take dudley, simply because he did it over a more extended period of time. and by 'it', i mean play in a way where he wasn't some sort of liability to his team, if not even an asset.

and also, he was a guy with a definite nasty streak.

does anybody remember that time he and gary trent went for a rebound at the same time, they collided, and the ball went trickling out of bounds (all with no opposing player within 30 feet)?

i distinctly remember dudley getting very close to popping trent (which was deserved, if my memory of what type of person trent was is correct).

but still, trent was a beast.

dudley would really mix it up, and it seemed like other guys would pick up on that. he just had a nose for getting in there and getting down.

9:46 AM  
Blogger Dave said...

I remember Dudley had an actual scrap with Otis Thorpe in 1995 when Thorpe was still in Houston. Then about three weeks later we trade Clyde for him and the two are teammates. Yeesh.

I have not heard much about Pryzbilla's knee, but that's probably intentional. It's the last thing you'd want to be talking about as a free agent. Even saying, "No look! The knee's fine!" would draw attention to it. I assume it is fine for now and they're confident they could pass a physical, so they've just let the issue go. Durability is a question with him but one would hope as long as he keeps at the lighter weight it won't become a chronic issue.


11:01 AM  
Blogger Scott R said...

my vote is for Pryz. hands down. Dudley was servicable, but when all you can do is rebound and be tough, i count you more as a liability than an assett. To be deemed effective as a rebounder you should have the ability to put the ball back in the hole if the need arises. Duds, while a great guy and hard nosed SOB, could not put that rock back in the hole to save his life. Pryz on the other hand has that ability. We can even draw up plays for him. He also plays with the same passion/intensity Duds posessed.

8:18 AM  
Anonymous TP43 said...

I'm going to have to go with Pryz in a tight race. He still has room to improve over what Duds did at his best and the shot blocking and better offensive game carry the day. Duds was always in the right place at the right time and a tireless worker but Pryz has a lot of the same characteristics with significantly better athleticism and core skills. Duds had stone hands where Pryz is excellent at catching tough passes on his way to the hoop for a monster finish.

12:29 PM  

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